LetemEatCake

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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 12:39:50 AM
Really an interesting article...thanks Martin!
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remay

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 8:43:26 AM
Ok, at least THIS article brings a little more to the table than just about Shell starting to drill in the arctic.
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NHLiveFree

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 12:43:43 AM
A shame you did not clarify your reference to the last and largest of the great ships made at the Fore River Shipyard of Bethlehem Steel in Quincy, MA. It was the largest ship ever made in a USA shipyard. After considerable and expensive rework at at least 3 USA shipyards, it was essentially converted to the world's largest icebreaker. On the passage you mention, she was accompanied by both a U.S. and Canaadian icebreaker.
end of story - "On Sept. 14, the prow of the Manhattan cracked the last floe at the southern end of Prince of Wales Strait and ahead lay 1,000 miles of open water. Upon reching Prudhoe Bay, the Manhattan took on a ceremonial barrel of oil. The return trip was completed on November 12, when the tanker sailed into New York Habor. In spite of it's accomplishments, the data acquired during this and a second trip concluding that, at the present time, the use of supertankers to move oil from Prudhoe Bay to the East Coast, is not as economical as a pipeline across Alaska. This study ultimately resulted in Humble joining other oil company's in building the Trans Alaska pipe."
That is not quite the same as your version of history granitestater.
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NHLiveFree

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 12:31:45 AM
Are you truly the reincarnation of ClydeT here, RenegadeG..???
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NHLiveFree

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 12:29:28 AM
And now Royal Dutch Shell has just as suddenly stopped operations, reportedly due to ice flows. What did they expect for operations in this hazardous environment? It appears a disaster greater than BPs mismanaged drilling in the Gulf of Mexico is imminent!!!
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PDQBlues

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 7:46:53 PM
Sure, exploiting the resources of the arctic will be very easy without all that pesky ice. Never mind that the resources may be unneeded while humans focus on survival.
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Martinman

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 10:17:28 AM
granitestater from New Hampshire posted...
"When the S.S. Manhattan tried to reach the North Slope oil fields a generation ago. It ran the Northwest Passage not without incident. That attempt resulted in the building of the Alaskan Pipeline. These days it might be somewhat less of a "titanic" undertaking... "
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Thank you for posting that comment. I had completely forgotten about the Manhattan's maiden trip throught the Northwest Passage... its been so, so long ago.
Here's a brief account, of the efforts to "test" the Northwest Passage:
S.S. Manhattan & the Northwest Passage
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teenitup

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 8:41:05 AM
National Geographic sure has changed over the years.
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molebaby96

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 4:09:06 AM
Ok.
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StArrow68

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 3:46:39 AM
When even this administration understands the need you better believe it is critical. The long term economic health of the country depends on resources.
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MN1

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:55:04 AM
Caps will be gone in a few years.
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mfeldstein

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:37:20 AM
Stay out of the water. We've ruined enough already.
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ScottTee

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:36:43 AM
Let's see where we are next year with summer temps. before we jump to any conclusions
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granitestater

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:30:49 AM
When the S.S. Manhattan tried to reach the North Slope oil fields a generation ago. It ran the Northwest Passage not without incident. That attempt resulted in the building of the Alaskan Pipeline. These days it might be somewhat less of a "titanic" undertaking...
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RENEGADEGAS

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:30:38 AM
Thankfully since global warming/climate change is just a myth, theres nothing to worry about.
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suicyco16

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:27:26 AM
ok
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PetroScopper

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:27:15 AM
Nobody in that industry will ever care about what the abused climate is doing to our beautiful country. Unfortunately for us it will always be all about the money!
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kgbellman

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:26:24 AM
One man's bad news . . .
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carinthuist

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:26:13 AM
great
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bginsj

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:25:15 AM
ok
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dinomen

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:23:33 AM
Ok.
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Mowerman08

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:21:01 AM
The endless summer won't be this year!
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HA4CNN

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:17:47 AM
The oil companies do not care so long as they make a profit.
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langolera

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:13:58 AM
ok
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rd2000

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:13:18 AM
the ice will come back.
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bulbous

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:12:15 AM
i just heard that it would be at least 20 years before any oil would come from this.i'll be dead before then and everyone will be driving cng or electric cars.why bother?the poor natives in alaska stand to lose everything to our greed!!!!!!!!!
[Edited by: bulbous at 9/11/2012 1:17:21 AM EST]
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DirtDauber

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:11:25 AM
Recorded history, just might be a century or so.
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danol43

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:08:44 AM
How far back does "recorded history" go?
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radiorumor

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:08:30 AM
Oh good grief, get informed and stop hatting
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jorod55

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:06:56 AM
Just stop buying gas.
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BobD2009

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:06:49 AM
Dump Obama and drill baby drill. It's past time to head in the right direction.
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sickhp

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:05:22 AM
Awesome drill baby drill me need more drilling and fire Obama.
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windows7isfast

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:04:56 AM
ok
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chillyman3

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:04:45 AM
ok
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Rooster922

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 1:02:59 AM
Great
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Zonk

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:55:48 AM
Hope, for Alaskas' sake no big mishaps are experienced.
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soakmonkey

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:48:24 AM
hmm
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unicornIL

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:46:38 AM
ok
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PrinceLH

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:44:44 AM
Get to it!
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fenster66

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:41:22 AM
there's always an opportunity...
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nomad228

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:39:54 AM
boycott gas stations with 4 dollar gas
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SparkieMi

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:38:13 AM
So, what now????
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10k

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:36:35 AM
"..scientists reported that summer sea ice in the Arctic Ocean had shrunk to its lowest extent in recorded history.."—there's your hole in that theory: "in recorded history"..
check back in 100 years or so, when the complaint will be "this ice is so thick, nothing can get through"..
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MrLefty0706

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:34:36 AM
Avoid spills, protect the environment and drive down prices by increasing supply.
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TIGERPAW46

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:34:31 AM
I still would rather see more shale oil or onshore crude wells than offshore.
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KnoxGasPriceSpy

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:33:03 AM
good
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tgusa

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:32:24 AM
Great!
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Nicoalbum

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:31:50 AM
Arctics's changing, we can feel it by electric bill.
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GigHarborHound

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:30:52 AM
OK!!!
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GRUMPY55

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2012 12:29:25 AM
ok
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