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Should NY & NJ mandate generators for gasoline stations?

GasBuddy Blog -- Two weeks after Hurricane Sandy the NY/NJ metro area continues to struggle with fuel supplies. Last week gasoline in New York's metro area, for the first time ever cost more than gasoline in Anchorage, Alaska.

Closer examination of the problems and the response by the major oil companies revealed that Big Oil's company-owned gas stations fared far better than the ExxonMobil, BP, Shell and other branded gas stations operated by franchisees.

According to Reuters, a handful of medium-sized regional chains like Hess Corp, Wawa Inc and Sunoco performed far better, with as many as three-quarters of their stations operating, using back-up generators to dispense fuel to motorists, homeowners and utility crews.

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MidNJ
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:46:37 AM

No, the gas lines are gone, and global warming is (perhaps) a myth prompted by money hungry people.

To mandate that all gas stations have a generator is insane.

It is time to bring sanity back to energy, gas prices, and more.
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danmckdude
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 10:56:53 AM

yes to generators
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sweething545
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 5:47:43 PM

You can say that Again, people do need I. Time of. Need
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boldrph
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 12:45:57 PM

maybe there's a market for a hand cranked pump? we did this with water once upon a time.
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fuzzyscout
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 4:07:23 PM

When automobiles were new to this country the government did not mandate that gasoline be stockpiled across the country. As demand grew, entrepreneurs opened businesses to supply the demand. If the cost of emergency generators would pay today's businessman (and it does some) they would install that capability.

If you want everyone be served in an emergency, mandate that everyone with a car keep q00 gallons of gasoline in storage; everyone with electric lights keep a month's supply of batteries, and two week's worth of food, and --- or we could let individuals figure out what is best for themselves, and the ones who are too shortsighted, or stupid, to do so, suffer the consequences.

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison of Virginia, Father of the Constitution.
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wshutton
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 3:56:29 PM

Not generators, but all stations countrywide should be required to have at least a generator plug in connection. FEMA should stock generators to be moved and used when and where disasters occur. These actions minimize capital cost to the station operators while providing more emergency service where and when it is needed across the country. And it maximizes FEMA's effectiveness in providing assistance in such emergencies.
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garywa01
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 9:53:07 AM

just do it
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medic6133
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 9:12:20 AM

If I owned a station and was able to weather a storm better than my competitors who didn't have one -- and could increase price during scarcity -- it would more than compensate for the initial investment in the generator.
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Under_Score
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:57:10 AM

If the gas stations want to make money they should invest in a generator.
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 7:30:58 AM

may need to mandate, b/c obvious station owners don't really feel the need to make this rather small equipment purchase so they can continue to operate after a storm.
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pilotmass
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 4:36:08 PM

A generator is a small expense. They should be built into EVERY gas station.
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captcarl5
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:57:49 AM

we'll get hit somehow in the pocket whether higher fuel taxes or by the govt fees
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 8:23:42 AM

stupid, stupid, stupid.
The cost will be passed on to the consumer. After a day of running on the generator, gas stations will be out of fuel since they can't resupply, so their $40,000 generator is now useless.
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VB_Richard
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 7:27:22 AM

Prepared means higher cost during normal operations but pays back during disasters.
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PA_VDub_Nut
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 7:22:33 AM

Most businesses and hospitals that I have seen that use Generators also use Uninterruptable Power Supplies and Power Filtering systems to protect critical systems and insure power flow. Testing generators and these systems is not as complicated or disruptive as some may think. These systems are also MUCH more expensive than most people realize. Also, machinery with motors like gas pumps or refrigeration units consume a LOT of electricity which would require a much larger generator and associated equipment.

Personally I do not think a mandate is the answer nor is expecting power companies to restore power quickly. The power grid in most parts of the USA is VERY, VERY OLD and in need of updating. No one wants to pay more for power so power companies are not going to invest in new equipment or bury their power lines underground.

One possible solution for gas stations might be the use of solar power to run their operations when utility power goes off. Most gas stations have decent sized stores and roofs over their pumps where solar panels could be mounted. If solar panels could supply enough power to run the pumps and some other business critical equipment this might be an answer. While a solar solution would not be cheap it would be used 24x7x365 to reduce the cost of electricity to the station and not just be an emergency backup rarely used. If I am not mistaken there are currently tax write-offs available as well to help pay for this technology.

Another possible solution to this power outage problem would be the use of mobile generators. Given the cost of installing and maintaining generators at individual stations why not use mobile generators that simply come to a station without out power, plug in and supply power. The cost of these mobile generators could be spread out among those station owners by some sort of monthly subscription fee. Those who subscribe use the service those that do not are closed and potentially go out of business.

Bottom line is, there are possible solutions to this situation that do not involve mandates. If a business does not have a business continuity plan they have no one to blame but themselves. They also should not cry the blues or blame another business or the government when their lack of planning results in the failure and closing of their business.
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Jeffro61
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:22:27 AM

No more laws.
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slgas
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:16:11 AM

If deemed wise, it needs to include all disaster-prone states.
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:12:42 AM

Repost
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oas
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:06:11 AM

Old news.
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Hunter114
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:05:47 AM

Government shouldn't take place for common sense.
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FNB1967
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:03:23 AM

Interesting
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REVLAW
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:00:58 AM

No. Government intrusion is not the answer. Private enterprise should find a generator backup for the stations a reasonable approach to a foreseeable need without needing to comply with more bureacratic "red tape". Get the government to hell out of our lives!
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:00:48 AM

old article
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mberg
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:00:23 AM

This would be a huge expense for the typical operator.
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Ferdman17
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:59:56 AM

No and it is old news
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Petrock
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:58:05 AM

Just remember the added cost will be passed on to the consumer ... and there may not be a problem like this in NY for decades.
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:55:00 AM

no
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FocusST2
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:54:52 AM

Yawn. This is déjà vu.
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:54:48 AM

Not at taxpayer expense I hope
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:52:50 AM

NO
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:52:38 AM

No!!!!!!!!!!
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Yooperheart
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:52:00 AM

Let the station owners make the choice.
Its their business. If they want to succeed
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Hop1LA
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:51:30 AM

Short answer, NO.
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VDubBill
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:49:46 AM

Remember, a business can't operate properly without government telling it how to operate properly.
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pfone1847
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:49:31 AM

No
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Dailyrun
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:48:10 AM

I don't think that they can mandate generators; but it would be good business.
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Maintroll
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:47:04 AM

The word mandate borders on communism, don't you think? Is there a dictator involved here somewhere by the name of Bloomberg?
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gabisgram
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:46:36 AM

No, and still old news.
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:45:56 AM

Old news
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:43:59 AM

No.
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tarheelcoastie
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:40:27 AM

Only in NYC ... but they also have a lot of other issues to tackle, like flooding.
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:39:43 AM

Nope
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:37:18 AM

heck no
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:36:37 AM

No
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:36:11 AM

No.
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hogfan24
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:33:24 AM

Ok
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TIGERPAW46
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:28:54 AM

My answer to the gasoline shortage would apply here as well.
Also, What good would just generators have done if the station had water contaminated fuel tanks. They would have to suction them out & return to disposal or re-refine to separate off water & dispose of contaminated waste.
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:27:58 AM

no
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bassakwards007
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:27:10 AM

Mandate? Request..Probably
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Bus936
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:23:30 AM

The only thing this would accomplish is to put more people to work building more generators. Another Bloomberg idea at best.
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