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Subsidize This: US Eyes Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels, But What Gets Protected?

Firedoglake -- While trade is often a bone of contention between the U.S. and China, this week’s visit by Chinese V. President Xi Jinping threw the spotlight on one subset of that battle that could have far-reaching effects well in excess of the raw dollar amounts at stake.

At issue is a complaint filed by a solar industry trade group, the Coalition for American Solar Manufacturing asking that the US government impose tariffs on Chinese solar panels. CASM wants the duties for what it claims are unfair subsidies by China that make Chinese solar products substantially cheaper than those offered by many US competitors.

indicate the federal govt set to weigh in on the side of US solar energy companies in this brewing trade war, and so make a stand for domestic green energy manufacturing and good-paying job


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fedupMN
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:04:58 PM

and this has what to do with gas or cars or ???
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:04:41 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:03:45 PM

The Bush administration refused to back solar power, which gave China a huge head start on the technology.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:03:41 PM

We shouldn't subsidize anything.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:00:55 PM

Move forward with it
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:59:54 PM

Have to get the whole story, not react to a simple headline
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Blue48
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:54:38 PM

SOLAR MANUFACTURERS HERE IN U.S. ARE HAVING A TOUGH TIME COMPETING!
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:52:43 PM

Same old bs that will go on and on and become another political football.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:52:40 PM

I would prefer to purchase American made, if it has the same quality I find it hard to pay the extra dollar for American Made. This is very difficult decision for me.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:49:59 PM

ask anyone..product to product ..if it is as good, but cheaper which would they pick?
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:45:17 PM

only purchase what is made in america,,by americans..
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:44:30 PM

this industry needs to be protected by our government...
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:43:34 PM

Interesting. So we both subsidize like idiots (although I believe what the author calls subsidies to fossil fuel are actually tax deductions available to most other firms, and gas companies do pay if they damage any water wells). Then we cry unfair. Only good news here is that apparently the Chinese are just as stupid as DC in handing out subsidies.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:43:27 PM

Lets just our own solar panels! More jobs!
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Buy American and keep the jobs here.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:41:51 PM

Place the tariff NOW!
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:40:45 PM

Interesting contrasts in the full article.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:40:19 PM

Stand up for U S A products.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:39:34 PM

Buy American People....
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:38:13 PM

china needs to be controld
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:35:08 PM

China needs to be controlled.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:34:09 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:32:47 PM

How and when did this become such a battleground? Why is it so much cheaper. Could it be that China doesn't have the salary or overhead costs we seem to be stuck with here.
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Plain and simple, BUY AMERICAN folks.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:32:20 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:31:10 PM

right on!!
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:29:47 PM

Many times these tariffs end up winning votes for the politicians while hard-working Americans lose their jobs.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:26:39 PM

Who makes the best solar panals for the price. If the price of good solar panels goes up because of the tariff, then the consumer pays for it. Remember a tariff can hurt the American consumer who pays more. China supports a lot of its industries so its unfair anyhow.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:26:03 PM

US tariff increases will be met with rare earth tariffs. That war will not be beneficial to the US.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:22:08 PM

I'm so sick of seeing chinese made crap. We need to make the solar panels here and all of the materials for installing them, HERE. Create jobs for Americans. To heck with the chinese.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:21:32 PM

No protection?
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:10:03 PM

If the Chinese are subsidizing their solar industry and dumping them in the US, the government needs to take action.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:08:51 PM

Clearly the last recession has showed us that we don't want to send ALL the manufacturing jobs overseas.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:06:55 PM

I don't agree with any gov't subsidies, I'm not sure that trade tariffs help anyone. Of course, I'm not an economist.
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Why would the liberals take a tough stance on China all of the sudden?
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If solar companies can't compete then it is time to get out of that business.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:04:33 PM

The United States should have Tariffs on ALL Chinese goods sold in America!!!
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:03:36 PM

will be interesting to see this pan out
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:03:11 PM

Okay
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 7:02:40 PM

Interesting.....
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Wow
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:53:43 PM

Supply and demand. There is an over supply worldwide for solar panels. Prices for solar panels have crashed. Stupid Americans are still willing to pay the inflated prices.

It's like paying full price for Christmas ornaments today two months after Christmas. Have you seen the share prices of global solar manufacturing stocks? Their profit margins have all crashed with the prices of solar panels.

[Edited by: sparky808 at 2/19/2012 6:55:38 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:50:18 PM

We can compete on some levels with morder facturies that use less labor. As for dumping, just ad a tariff. Heck they like the Buick, but have added a tariff to any the are imported from here. Their factory can not keep up with the demand. The just added a $100% tariff on chickens, that is the food for their people, and they jack up the price. Time for a level field, or they will just come on over and say hey, we want the keys to the White House because you owe us so much.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:46:39 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:45:58 PM

The Kenyan is not inclined to see tariffs on anything Chinese. It might cut into his campaign kickbacks.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:43:47 PM

Is the government loan count as subsidize?
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:39:51 PM

China will come out in front anyway.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:39:49 PM

If they forced the Chinese products sold in America to uphold the same standards as the American ones (evironmental manufacture regs, etc) they wouldn't be as dramatically cheaper and therefore less competative and we would have less issue. You know we cut way back on buying their tires, my last set are from USA!
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:39:14 PM

tariffs mean us industry does not even try to lower costs and prices
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:38:35 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 6:38:16 PM

Screw China.
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